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Randy and Kyle discuss a new vision of pastoral ministry with Matt Erickson, focusing on the pastor as a gardener rather than a CEO.

Text us your questions! Randy and Kyle sit down with Milwaukee pastor and author Matt Erickson to explore a different vision of pastoral ministry: not the pastor as CEO, brand manager, or religious expert, but the pastor as gardener. Matt’s book, The Pastor as Gardener: A Renewed Vision for Ministry, grows out of real ministry pressure, including moral failures, church decline, the pandemic, and the strain of navigating racial justice and polarization in a multiracial congregation. We dig in...

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