About this episode

The episode features a conversation with pastor Matt Erickson about a deeper approach to church health and spiritual formation.

Text us your questions! We continue our conversation with pastor and author Matt Erickson of Eastbrook Church in Milwaukee. The job of many pastors feels like that of a CEO, with a focus on leadership strategy and the "three Bs": buildings, budgets, and butts in seats. This conversation offers a slower, deeper, and more hopeful way to think about church health, discipleship, and long-term spiritual formation. We dig into the sequoia metaphor: doing work you may never see mature, trusting God...

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