
Governments That Get Results
From After Hours with Jamie Rubin: A Vital City Podcast by Jamie Rubin
February 11, 2026 · 34 min · Episode 23
About this episode
Gloria Gong discusses the importance of government performance and outcomes over processes in policymaking.
Policymakers spend enormous energy debating what government should do. But who’s paying attention to whether it actually gets done? Gloria Gong runs Harvard’s Government Performance Lab, where she’s spent 11 years sending teams into more than 100 state and local agencies to work on that exact question. Gong explains why government defaults to process over outcomes, how a Detroit violence intervention program cracked the code on results-driven contracting, and why her lab mostly skips New York City — which she says has the best government talent bench in the country but makes a terrible model for everywhere else. She also tells the story of how her husband’s carefully maintained list of her passions saved her from a career in corporate law. For more solutions-oriented thinking on urban life, visit the Vital City website at https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/.
People in this episode
Host: Jamie Rubin
Guest: Gloria Gong
Topics covered
- government performance
- policy outcomes
- urban solutions
- contracting
- local agencies
Keywords
- government
- performance
- policy
- Detroit
- New York City
- contracting
- urban life
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Harvard’s Government Performance Lab
Places: Detroit, New York City
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