About this episode

Owen Rask and Hayden Smith discuss effective strategies for setting and achieving money goals.

In this Australian Finance Podcast episode, Owen Rask sits down with Hayden Smith from Pearler to unpack why so many money goals fall over before they ever become real habits. Rather than setting huge targets that feel inspiring for a day and overwhelming for the next six months, Hayden explains why shorter timeframes, smaller milestones and cleaner systems give people a far better chance of following through. They talk through how to turn vague financial intentions into something measurable, why automation matters, and how to reduce the friction around saving and investing. Owen and Hayden also explore the idea of a research stake - putting a small amount of money to work so you become more curious, more engaged and more accountable to your own future. It is a practical way to build momentum without needing to be perfect from day one. Along the way, Hayden shares how his thinking has softened on owner-occupied property, why housing still matters in a long-term plan, and how tools like debt recycling may help Australians balance a home with ETF investing. If you want better money habits and money goals that actually stick, this episode is packed with practical ideas you can use…

People in this episode

Host: Owen Rask

Guest: Hayden Smith

Topics covered

• money goals
• financial habits
• automation
• saving
• investing
• debt recycling

Keywords

• money goals
• financial habits
• automation
• saving
• investing
• debt recycling
• short-term milestones

Sponsors

Pearler

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Pearler, VanEck

Books & works: The Money Reset

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