The Math Behind Gerrymandering, Fair Representation, and Politics with Karen Saxe

The Math Behind Gerrymandering, Fair Representation, and Politics with Karen Saxe

From Breaking Math Podcast by Autumn Phaneuf & Noah Giansiracusa

March 17, 2026 · 35 min

About this episode

The episode discusses the influence of mathematics on politics, representation, and AI policy with guest Karen Saxe.

Mathematics quietly shapes some of the most important decisions in public life, from redistricting and congressional apportionment to federal research funding and AI policy. In this episode, Autumn and Noah speak with Dr. Karen Saxe, Senior Vice President of Government Relations at the American Mathematical Society, about how mathematical ideas influence representation, fairness, education, and the future of research. From gerrymandering and geometric compactness to life inside the U.S. Senate and the growing policy debates around AI, Karen reveals how deeply math is woven into the systems that govern everyday life. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Conversation 01:15 The Hot Tea in DC 01:24 Gerrymandering and Mathematics 03:42 Understanding Gerrymandering and Redistricting 08:07 The Role of Mathematicians in Politics 12:19 Experiences in the Senate with Al Franken 19:32 Government Relations and the Role of Mathematics 23:01 The Impact of AI on Mathematics and Policy 28:41 Community Readiness for AI Transformations 29:22 Diversity in Education and Its Challenges 29:40 Bridging Mathematics and Politics 29:58 Career Pathways: Academia to Policy Follow Karen Saxe on LinkedIn (…

People in this episode

Hosts: Autumn Phaneuf, Noah Giansiracusa

Guest: Karen Saxe

Topics covered

  • gerrymandering
  • mathematics in politics
  • fair representation
  • AI policy
  • redistricting
  • government relations

Keywords

  • gerrymandering
  • mathematics
  • politics
  • representation
  • AI
  • redistricting
  • government relations
  • education
  • diversity

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: American Mathematical Society

Places: Washington, D.C.

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