About this episode

The episode discusses the implications of rejecting God's design for gender and family, featuring insights from pastor Michael Clary.

What happens when a society rejects God’s design for manhood, womanhood, marriage, and the family? Hosts Scott Brown and Jason Dohm sit down with pastor and author Michael Clary to tackle this crisis as they discuss the creation order — God’s purposeful design for men and women and the far-reaching implications of rejecting it. From the opening chapters of Genesis to the modern confusion surrounding gender, sexuality, marriage, and the body itself, they explain how abandoning God’s order leads to chaos — and how joyful submission to His design leads to beauty, harmony, and human flourishing. 

People in this episode

Hosts: Scott Brown, Jason Dohm

Guest: Michael Clary

Topics covered

• God's design
• gender
• marriage
• family
• creation order
• submission
• human flourishing

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Genesis

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