Penk, Peters and Citizens Arrests (LIVE with Tracey Martin)

Penk, Peters and Citizens Arrests (LIVE with Tracey Martin)

August 15, 2026 · 1h 6m

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The episode discusses the National Party's leadership crisis and insights into the New Zealand First caucus with guest Tracey Martin.

Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson , Cross Party Lines goes live at the Hannah Playhouse in Wellington — sold out in a week — with a very special guest: Tracey Martin, former deputy leader of New Zealand First, former Minister for Seniors and Children, and current CEO of the Aged Care Association. An episode that moves from the psychodrama of National’s leadership crisis to the slow-motion crisis in aged care — with an insider’s account of life in the New Zealand First caucus along the way. Thanks for Frank Risk Management, New Zealand 100% Kiwi-owned insurance brokerage - find out more at frankrisk.co.nz. In this episode: * National’s leadership crisis — Penk’s defenestration and what comes next — Phil walks through the numbers with forensic clarity: Luxon is lucky to be standing. The week that preceded the vote was arguably the worst of his premiership — the small business comments, the MMP referendum blurt, the Air Force plane to a party fundraiser, wages up 2% against inflation at 4.1%. Chris is blunt about Chris Penk: a good minister, probably not the only one involved, and now made an example pour encourager les autres. Tracey offers the most nuanced reading: what if…

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Hosts: Phil Goff, Chris Finlayson

Guest: Tracey Martin

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Organizations: New Zealand First, Aged Care Association

Places: New Zealand, Wellington

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