The Anti-State State w/ Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore (Re-Air)

About this episode

Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about the concept of 'the anti-state state' and the necessity of abolition in the context of the expanding carceral state.

This episode was originally released January 26th for Death Panel patrons and is being re-aired today. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod In the shadow of the federal occupation of Minneapolis and a year of catastrophic expansion of the carceral state, Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about their concept of “the anti-state state,” the process of the state’s transition from supporting social welfare to policing its provision, and why abolition is the only way. For further discussion of fascism and the anti-state state we recommend this week's patron episode with Alberto Toscano, which was directly spurred on by this episode with Ruthie and Craig. Link here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/late-fascism-w-150947880 Find Ruth WIlson Gilmore's book Abolition Geography here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839761713 Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/anti-state-state-rwg We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel…

People in this episode

Host: Beatrice

Guests: Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Craig Gilmore

Topics covered

• carceral state
• abolition
• social welfare
• policing
• fascism
• anti-state state

Keywords

• anti-state state
• abolition
• carceral state
• policing
• fascism
• social welfare

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Death Panel, Bookshop.org, Patreon

Books & works: Abolition Geography, Abolish Rent, A Short History of Trans Misogyny

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