DERVOS 2025: Permissionless DERs Wait for No One
From DER Task Force by DER Task Force
January 14, 2026 · 32 min
About this episode
The episode discusses the revolutionary class of permissionless distributed energy resources and their implications for the energy grid.
Our second discussion of DERVOS 2025 was a panel on a revolutionary new class of distributed energy systems that require little to no permission to install. If you’re listening to this as a podcast, keep in mind that the full video is available on our website www.dertaskforce.com and Youtube channel. We’ve been talking about permissionless DERs on the pod for a long time, so it seemed only right to bring together some of the folks on the forefront of this class of technology to talk about who wants it, how to get it to them, and what it means for the grid. While this may be new fangled technology here, Germans have been plugging in solar panels into wall sockets for the past few years. So many Germans, in fact, that there’s more than 4 million households who have one of these units. Oddly, the permissionless revolution started in earnest in the U.S. in Utah, which was the first state to codify the rules for these DERs. But that’s just the beginning. Check out the discussion on which states are next, what utilities and standards organizations think about it, and why you should think of plug-in solar and storage as just another appliance in your home, and how these systems are…
People in this episode
Host: Duncan Campbell
Guests: Cole Ashman, Bala Ramamurthy, Stephan Scherer, Kevin Chou
Topics covered
- distributed energy systems
- permissionless DERs
- solar energy
- energy policy
- grid technology
Keywords
- permissionless DERs
- distributed energy
- solar panels
- energy systems
- grid technology
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Pila Energy, Critical Loop, Craftstrom Solar, Brightsaver
Places: Utah, Germany
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