Could AI End Human QA?
From DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling by Bret Fisher
July 29, 2025 · 55 min · Episode 185
About this episode
Bret Fisher interviews Andrew Tunall about the future of QA in the age of AI and the need for better observability in production environments.
Bret is joined by Andrew Tunall, the President and Chief Product Officer at Embrace, to discuss his prediction that we’ll all start shipping non-QA'd code (buggier code in production) and QA will need to be replaced with better observability. 🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild 🍾 If AI causes us to ship more code, we’ll need more testing and QA. It’s unlikely that orgs will want to add staff just so they can use AI, so what’s the solution? Would we start relying more on production observability to detect code issues that affect user experience? Embrace is a mobile observability platform company that I first met at KubeCon London this year. Their pitch was that mobile apps were ready for the full observability stack and that we now have SDKs to let mobile dev teams integrate with the same tools that we platform engineers and DevOps people and…
People in this episode
Host: Bret Fisher
Guest: Andrew Tunall
Topics covered
- AI
- Quality Assurance
- Observability
- DevOps
- Mobile Development
Keywords
- non-QA'd code
- buggier code
- production observability
- mobile observability
- Embrace
- KubeCon London
- CI/CD automation
- Agentic DevOps
- testing
- user experience
Sponsors
Agentic DevOps Guild
Mentioned in this episode
Products: Embrace
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