
Special Episode: Interview with Surge Network
From Disarming Leviathan Podcast by Caleb E. Campbell
March 21, 2026 · 42 min
About this episode
Caleb E. Campbell interviews Aaron Dailey about changes in pastoral ministry in Phoenix over the last two decades.
We are in between seasons of the Disarming Leviathan podcast (mainly so I can finish my Doctoral project at Fuller Seminary), but I wanted to post this episode I did with the Surge Network . My friend Aaron Dailey and I talk about a variety of things, including how we have seen pastoral ministry change in Phoenix over the last two decades. I share some of the lessons I’ve learned, the growing anxiety about affiliation among clergy, and why the hardest part of this job is the ghosts. You can also find the video here . Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe
People in this episode
Host: Caleb E. Campbell
Guest: Aaron Dailey
Topics covered
- pastoral ministry
- clergy affiliation
- anxiety in ministry
- Phoenix
- interview
Keywords
- pastoral ministry
- clergy
- anxiety
- Phoenix
- Surge Network
- Fuller Seminary
- interview
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Surge Network, Fuller Seminary
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