A "Green Transition"? If Only It Were That Simple

A "Green Transition"? If Only It Were That Simple

From Drilled by Pushkin Industries

February 2, 2026 · 57 min · Season 14

About this episode

Jean-Baptiste Fressoz discusses the complexities of the energy transition and the misconceptions surrounding clean energy and decarbonization.

In More and More and More , Jean-Baptiste Fressoz shows that the human history of energy is one of accumulation, not substitution. Here, he talks to reporter Adam Lowenstein about how the "energy transition" frame got so entrenched, why clean-energy innovation is not the same thing as decarbonization, how the fossil fuel industry helped launder pipe dreams of dysfunctional technologies into mainstream climate “solutions”, and much more (and more and more).   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

People in this episode

Host: Adam Lowenstein

Guest: Jean-Baptiste Fressoz

Topics covered

  • energy transition
  • decarbonization
  • fossil fuel industry
  • clean energy
  • climate solutions

Keywords

  • energy transition
  • decarbonization
  • fossil fuels
  • clean energy
  • climate change
  • innovation
  • technology

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