A Meeting of Two Rivers of Wisdom: A Conversation with Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining) and Dr Jaiya John (Mshkiki Odeh Inini, Medicine Heart Man)

About this episode

A conversation between Pat McCabe and Dr. Jaiya John exploring themes of wisdom, joy, and sacred remembrance.

In this episode, we follow a river of a conversation that is a meeting of two beautiful souls, Pat McCabe and Jaiya John. We three, (Carl, Erin and Alexandre) have been deeply moved and influenced by Pat and Jaiya's writings, and presence, and work in the world, and we were inspired to host a conversation introducing these elders, who each carries such potent medicine for our times. Together, Pat and Jaiya weave through many themes including power, protection, trickster energy, the sacredness of water, the importance of finding one's joy, and how to support young ones in this time. This conversation is also a beautiful love letter to the lands of Northern New Mexico, where Pat lives and Jaiya grew up. Woven throughout the conversation is the theme of sacred remembrance, and the importance to not forgetting who we are, and why we are here at this time. We hope you enjoy the conversation, the pace and the pauses, the tone of voice, the songs, the humor, and the quality of reverence and respect and Jaiya and Pat each embody with such grace. Dr. Jaiya John (Mshkiki Odeh Inini, Medicine Heart Man) was orphan-born on ancient Indigenous Anasazi and Pueblo lands in the high desert of New…

People in this episode

Guests: Pat McCabe, Dr Jaiya John

Topics covered

• wisdom
• power
• protection
• trickster energy
• sacredness of water
• joy
• supporting youth
• sacred remembrance

Keywords

• conversation
• elders
• Northern New Mexico
• medicine
• sacred

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: A Meeting of Two Rivers of Wisdom: A Conversation with Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining, Daughter Drink This Water, We Birth Freedom at Dawn, Fragrance After Rain, I Will Read for You

Places: Northern New Mexico, Portland, Oregon, Kathmandu, Nepal, Mt. Everest

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