About this episode

General Wesley Clark discusses the complexities of peace and military involvement in global security with Gita Wirjawan.

Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes---------------Power shapes history, but character shapes the future. Democracies do not collapse in a single dramatic moment; they erode quietly through short-term thinking and the loss of moral clarity.General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, sat down with Gita Wirjawan to reflect on peace, military involvement in global security, and America’s changing identity in a multipolar world.The discussion spans the Middle East, Russia–Ukraine, nuclear risks, and civilian casualties, highlighting the balance between strength and restraint, realism and hope.Full topics:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:09 - Why joined the military0:16:24 - Spirituality & religiosity0:18:26 - History of the birth of America0:29:07 - What is peace?0:37:55 - The US in a multipolar world0:50:56 - Significance: The quest of the 21st century?0:57:29 - Nuclear proliferation1:08:10 - Middle East1:12:25 - A realist look at Ukraine1:14:40 - NATO1:19:20 - Why invest in Southeast…

People in this episode

Host: Gita Wirjawan

Guest: Wesley Clark

Topics covered

• peace
• military involvement
• global security
• multipolar world
• nuclear risks
• civilian casualties

Keywords

• peace
• military
• global security
• nuclear proliferation
• multipolar world
• civilian casualties
• Wesley Clark

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: NATO

Products: What It Takes: Southeast Asia

Places: America, Middle East, Russia–Ukraine

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