
E183 | Untangling Love: A Journey with Wayne Jacobsen
From Face to Face Podcast by Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson
March 3, 2026 · 1h 3m · Season 7 · Episode 183
About this episode
Wayne Jacobson discusses moving from a performance-based faith to experiencing God's love and presence.
Wayne Jacobson on Experiencing God's Love, Presence, and Freedom Beyond Performance | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 183 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we interview author and former pastor Wayne Jacobson about moving from a transactional, performance-based faith to an experiential life rooted in God's affection, presence, and fullness. Wayne shares his background, ministry disillusionment, repeated experiences of betrayal, and how God's presence slowly meets people in pain and trauma. He explains how a curative (not punitive) view of the atonement reshaped his view of the Father, argues that transformation comes through relational engagement with God rather than information alone, and critiques Christianity as a sin- or shame-management system. He discusses community as a gift cultivated through hospitality and friendship, points listeners to his book He Loves Me and his websites, and closes by praying for listeners to relax into the "unforced rhythms of grace." 00:26 Meet Wayne Jacobson 01:08 Level One Invitation 02:07 Trauma Course Preview 03:15 Why This Interview Matters 04:57 Wayne's Journey Begins 07:30 Betrayal and Presence 09:41 From Earning to Love 16:18…
People in this episode
Guest: Wayne Jacobson
Topics covered
- God's Love
- Presence
- Freedom
- Performance-based faith
- Trauma
- Community
- Atonement
- Transformation
Keywords
- experiential life
- relational engagement
- hospitality
- friendship
- He Loves Me
Mentioned in this episode
Products: He Loves Me
Books & works: Untangling Love: A Journey with Wayne Jacobsen, Experiencing God's Love, Presence, and Freedom Beyond Performance, He Loves Me
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