About this episode

Ron "Toes" Cooper shares his experiences flying the F-4 Phantom in Vietnam and the leadership lessons learned from combat.

Ron "Toes" Cooper grew up silent, insecure, and certain he'd never amount to much. Then four men believed in him — and everything changed. Toes went on to fly the F-4 Phantom in over 300 combat missions in Vietnam, dodge a MiG-21 missile by a split second, participate in the rescue of a downed pilot who survived 23 days alone in hostile territory, and command a squadron. In this episode, Toes brings us into the cockpit and into the chaos of combat — and then draws a straight line from those experiences to the leadership lessons that every team, every organization, and every person who has ever doubted themselves desperately needs to hear. Support this podcast at — https://www.patreon.com/cw/ftrpltpdcst Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

People in this episode

Host: E. Vincent "Jell-O" Aiello

Guest: Ron "Toes" Cooper

Topics covered

• Vietnam War
• Fighter Pilots
• Leadership Lessons
• Combat Experience
• Aviation History

Keywords

• Vietnam
• F-4 Phantom
• combat missions
• leadership
• aviation
• military history
• MiG-21
• rescue operations

Mentioned in this episode

Products: F-4 Phantom

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