
Vladimir Novakovski – Lighter: The Orderbook for all of Ethereum (S7E22)
From Flirting with Models by Corey Hoffstein
September 22, 2025 · 1h 4m · Season 7 · Episode 22
About this episode
Corey Hoffstein interviews Vladimir Novakovski about Lighter, a decentralized crypto exchange built on Ethereum, discussing its design choices, business strategies, and the future of DeFi.
In this episode I’m joined by Vladimir Novakovski, founder and CEO of Lighter, a decentralized crypto exchange. To kick off the conversation, we explore Lighter's three big design choices: it’s built as a custom Layer-2 on Ethereum, it relies on zero-knowledge circuits for proving transactions, and it runs with a private sequencer. Don't worry – if that sounds like gibberish, Vlad explains it all. Each of those decisions comes with trade-offs — but also big potential advantages. We discuss why Ethereum remains the natural home for new rollups, from inheriting its security to tapping into DeFi’s growing composability. We also break down what zk circuits actually are, why they matter for trust and security in a derivatives exchange, and how they’re verified in practice. From there, we tackle the business side: how you bootstrap liquidity in a brand-new DEX, why Lighter went with an unusual fee model and the key lessons learned during an extended private beta. Finally, we zoom out to the bigger picture. What might DeFi look like if composability really takes hold? Could specialized rollups like Lighter become the backbone of an on-chain financial system, rather than just…
People in this episode
Guest: Vladimir Novakovski
Topics covered
- Ethereum
- decentralized exchange
- Layer-2
- zero-knowledge circuits
- liquidity
- DeFi
- composability
Keywords
- crypto
- blockchain
- derivatives
- sequencer
- private beta
Mentioned in this episode
Products: S7E22, Lighter
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