How to Survive a Chaotic World
About this episode
Mark Leonard discusses the implications of a broken rules-based order and how policymakers should respond.
If the rules-based order is broken, what comes next? And who will lead it? Mark Leonard argues in his new book, Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail, that the coming system will be “un-order,” governed not by China or the United States but by no one at all. Are states responding quickly enough? Leonard, who is the director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, joins FP Live’s Ravi Agrawal to explore how policymakers should adjust. Hal Brands: Three Scenarios for a Post-Trump World Stephen M. Walt: Chinese Hegemony Might Be Happening James Palmer: China Doesn’t Always Win When the U.S. Loses Michael Hirsch: After the Nation-State Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
People in this episode
Host: Ravi Agrawal
Guest: Mark Leonard
Topics covered
- geopolitics
- rules-based order
- international relations
- chaos
- policymaking
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: European Council on Foreign Relations
Books & works: Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail
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