
Rick Jordan interviews Matthew and Joanna Raabsmith about the complexities of betrayal and rebuilding intimacy in relationships affected by sexual shame and religious messaging.
Rick sits down with Matthew and Joanna Raabsmith, and if you think betrayal is simple, this is going to challenge you fast. It wasn’t just porn. It wasn’t just lies. It wasn’t just one person messing up. It was years of silence, sexual shame, and a relationship that looked strong on the outside but was already breaking underneath. In this conversation, Matthew and Joanna, who rebuilt their marriage after addiction, secrecy, and collapse, talk about what actually creates betrayal. The oppressive church messaging around sex. The lack of real conversations. The pressure to perform instead of being honest. And how both people end up stuck in cycles that keep making things worse. They also get real about what rebuilding actually looks like. Not surface fixes. The hard conversations about sex most couples never have. Even sitting down and asking each other what is actually on the table for sex, what is not, and what needs to change if intimacy is ever going to be real again. In this interview you’ll learn: why betrayal is usually the result of patterns that were already there how sexual shame and religious messaging quietly damage intimacy what a real “pain cycle” looks like when both…
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