About this episode

A discussion on the complexities of AI, human agency, and the psychological impacts of technological change.

I'm excited to push out a special episode of the podcast. Normally, I don’t publish my live video sessions to this audio feed, but my conversation this past Friday was just too critical to keep locked away on a video player. I was joined by my good friend Travis Hahler , Senior Director of Strategy & Transformation at Salesforce and founder of The Neurological Nomad . We grabbed the steering wheel of the AI conversation and steered it away from the typical tech hype, diving face-first into the messy realities of human biology and organizational behavior. If you listened to my previous episode on AI Agent Sprawl , you know how unmapped autonomous digital tools are fracturing corporate architectures and blowing up budgets. But why are we so eager to pass the buck to a machine? That is the exact bridge we cross in this episode. When the unrelenting firehose of technological change hits us, our brains get exhausted. We hit a wall of change fatigue, and we naturally choose the path of least resistance: we either push back with heavy resistance, or we completely check out and hand our human agency over to AI because it just feels "easier." This conversation is the perfect…

People in this episode

Host: Christopher Lind

Guest: Travis Hahler

Topics covered

• AI
• human agency
• organizational behavior
• technology fatigue
• psychological safety

Keywords

• AI Agent Sprawl
• human agency
• organizational behavior
• change fatigue
• psychological safety

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Salesforce, The Neurological Nomad

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