Episode 237: Credit Card Skimmer to Police Trainer: Lessons from Both Sides of Crime with Michael Perez & Steven Webster

Episode 237: Credit Card Skimmer to Police Trainer: Lessons from Both Sides of Crime with Michael Perez & Steven Webster

June 17, 2026 · 1h 2m · Season 6 · Episode 237

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The episode features a conversation between a former criminal and a retired police officer discussing crime prevention and personal transformation.

What happens when a former criminal and a retired police officer join forces to protect organizations from the very crimes they once investigated from opposite sides? In Episode 237 of the Gravity Podcast, host Christopher Littrell sits down with Michael Perez and Steven Webster of MICCLO, a company focused on helping organizations identify vulnerabilities, prevent fraud, and strengthen security. Michael's story is one of the most compelling we've ever featured on the podcast. After becoming involved in a sophisticated skimming operation that compromised financial information and led to federal felony convictions, he ultimately served time in prison and rebuilt his life. Today, he uses his firsthand knowledge of criminal tactics to help organizations, financial institutions, and law enforcement understand how these crimes occur and how to stop them before they happen. Joining him is Steven Webster, a retired law enforcement professional whose career was spent pursuing criminals, investigating fraud, and protecting communities. Together, Michael and Steven provide a unique perspective that combines the mindset of the offender with the experience of the investigator. In this…

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Host: Christopher Littrell

Guests: Michael Perez, Steven Webster

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Organizations: MICCLO

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