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February 16, 2026 · 56 min

About this episode

Kasimir Schulz discusses the Echogram technique for bypassing AI model security layers.

A lot of modern AI models have a kind of security guard layer that sits in front of them. Its job? A binary choice as to whether the prompt heading into the model is safe or not. Kasimir Schulz, a lead security researcher at HiddenLayer, has been researching how to trick these models. Their solution, a technique called "Echogram" involves words with such positive statistical sentiment — such overwhelming good vibes — that it flips that verdict. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Guest: Kasimir Schulz

Topics covered

  • AI security
  • Echogram technique
  • model safety
  • sentiment analysis
  • prompt engineering

Keywords

  • AI models
  • security research
  • tricking models
  • positive sentiment
  • good vibes

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Organizations: HiddenLayer

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