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Danny van Leeuwen discusses his experiences with AI in healthcare as a nurse and patient.

As a nurse with MS, I’m interviewed about AI’s real role in care: pattern recognition, human-in-the-loop skepticism, and the Three T’s and Two C’s framework. Click here to view the printable newsletter. More readable than a transcript . Click here for a verbatim transcript Summary I sit in the guest chair on Practical AI in Healthcare with Steve Labkoff. I walk through my experience feeding my own symptom logs, lab results, and ten years of clinician notes into an AI LLM: a physical therapy referral I needed and hadn’t scheduled, a medication side effect my neurologist later confirmed, and a rating scale buried in my chart that no one had surfaced. I describe the less impressive side: the four-pound box of unsorted paper my primary care practice mailed me and the 296 pages of unsearchable PDFs I got back from another system in fifteen minutes. Along the way, I lay out my framework for judging any digital health tool, the Three T’s and Two C’s: time, trust, talk, control, and connection, and explain why I insist on keeping humans in the loop even though the research on that is more complicated than people assume. This isn’t a pitch…

People in this episode

Host: Danny van Leeuwen

Guest: Steve Labkoff

Topics covered

• AI in healthcare
• patient experience
• digital health tools
• symptom tracking
• human-in-the-loop

Keywords

• AI
• healthcare
• nurse
• patient data
• digital health
• symptom logs
• Three T's and Two C's

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Practical AI in Healthcare, DCI Network

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