When Race Trumps Merit

About this episode

The episode discusses the impact of DEI programs on merit and features a conversation with Heather Mac Donald and Richard Samuelson.

Guests: Heather Mac Donald and Richard Samuelson Host Scot Bertram talks with Heather Mac Donald, the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor at  City Journal , about efforts by the Trump administration to curb DEI programs and her book  When Race Trumps Merit: How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives . And Richard Samuelson, associate professor of government at Hillsdale College’s Washington, D.C. campus, continues a series celebrating the 250th anniversary of the United States. This week, Thomas Paine’s  Common Sense  and Abigail Adams’ admonition to “remember the ladies.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

People in this episode

Host: Scot Bertram

Guests: Heather Mac Donald, Richard Samuelson

Topics covered

• race and merit
• DEI programs
• equity vs excellence
• American history
• women's rights

Keywords

• race
• merit
• DEI
• equity
• excellence
• American history
• Abigail Adams
• Thomas Paine

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Manhattan Institute, City Journal

Books & works: When Race Trumps Merit, Common Sense

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