Steve Jobs in Exile

Steve Jobs in Exile

July 14, 2026 · 51 min · Episode 136

About this episode

This episode explores Steve Jobs' years after being pushed out of Apple and how they shaped his leadership skills.

After being pushed out of Apple, Steve Jobs built NeXT and nearly destroyed it. This episode explores how those years of failure taught him discipline, compromise, and leadership, preparing him for his historic return to Apple. 00:00 Steve Jobs on Strengths & Weaknesses 03:11 Founding NeXT 12:14 Building the NeXT Team and Culture 20:58 The Cube: Launch and Failure 22:58 Government Deals and Missed Opportunities 25:56 Steve's Personal Life and Marriage 28:20 NeXT's Near-Bankruptcy and Turnaround 34:22 Becoming a Software Company 38:55 Apple Buys NeXT 43:43 Lessons on Leadership and Trade-offs ----- Source:⁠ Steve Jobs in Exile: The Untold Story of NeXT and the Remaking of an American Visionary by Geoffrey Cain ----- Sponsors:⁠ The Classical Society⁠⁠ David Senra Podcast⁠⁠ Zodl (The new Zashi wallet)⁠⁠ Speechify ----- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Host: Ben Wilson

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The Classical Society, David Senra Podcast, Zodl, Speechify

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Organizations: Apple, NeXT

Books & works: Steve Jobs in Exile: The Untold Story of NeXT and the Remaking of an American Visionary

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