Why Rest Doesn't Cure Burnout: A Conversation with My Friend, Zisi Zirkind

Why Rest Doesn't Cure Burnout: A Conversation with My Friend, Zisi Zirkind

From Human & Holy by Tonia Chazanow

May 10, 2026 · 48 min

About this episode

A conversation between Tonia Chazanow and Zisi Zirkind about burnout, motherhood, and the complexities of faith and friendship.

Today, I sit down with my friend, Zisi Zirkind for an unscripted conversation about burnout, motherhood, faith, friendship, and the holy delusion of believing your soul is needed in this world. This isn't an interview; it's a conversation between two close friends. We talk about why it's not always doing less that restores our energy, the undervaluing of women's work and how we each experience meaning in our homes, why faith doesn't have to be rigid to be strong, how we hold paradox in every identity, and how friendship can help us each remember who we are. Zisi Zirkind is the Rebbetzin of Yeshiva Center in Melbourne, teaches Chassidus through her weekly women’s Torah classes, teaches guided research classes at Ohel Chana Seminary, and is the host of the podcast Standing Between Earth and Sky. Find her podcast here: https://open.spotify.com/show/0EOKqR8gwDDnEEvq7W02z3?si=0c228c7fbde34a5f Contact her at zisiwolf@gmail.com. * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our…

People in this episode

Host: Tonia Chazanow

Guest: Zisi Zirkind

Topics covered

  • burnout
  • motherhood
  • faith
  • friendship
  • women's work
  • identity

Keywords

  • burnout
  • motherhood
  • faith
  • friendship
  • women's work
  • identity
  • Chassidus

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Yeshiva Center, Ohel Chana Seminary, Standing Between Earth and Sky

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