How the Metamind Changes the Self with Abre Fournier

How the Metamind Changes the Self with Abre Fournier

February 2, 2026 · 36 min · Season 6 · Episode 22

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Sr. Ilia Delio and Abre Fournier discuss the evolution of the self through childhood development and social identity formation.

Sr. Ilia Delio continues her conversation with Abre Fournier, PhD—a science-based philosopher of consciousness whose work bridges contemporary cognitive science with Asian contemplative traditions and practices of mind transformation. Picking up their inquiry into what is meant by “the self,” Ilia and Abre turn to childhood development and the social shaping of identity. Abre draws on figures like Jean Piaget and Donald Winnicott to describe how the “me/not-me” distinction emerges over time t...

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