About this episode

Rachel and Chris Shelton discuss the complexities of recovering from cults and the importance of understanding one's moral framework.

In this episode, Rachel welcomes back Chris Shelton, a former Scientologist and author of the new book, What Now? They dive deep into Chris's experiences, discussing the complexities of recovery from high-control groups and the importance of understanding one's own moral framework. Chris shares insights from his extensive studies in coercive control and introduces his REM model, which explores the layers of consciousness, morality, emotions, and rationality that influence human behavior. Chris reflects on his journey of escaping Scientology, the challenges of grappling with guilt and moral injury, and the transformative power of education in recovery. He emphasizes the significance of self-compassion and the idea that most people are well-intentioned, even when caught in harmful systems. As they navigate these profound topics, Chris offers practical advice for those seeking to rebuild their lives after cult experiences, highlighting the necessity of agency in the recovery process. Join Rachel and Chris for a thought-provoking conversation that sheds light on the path to healing and the tools needed to foster a fulfilling life post-cult. Chris’s Links: Website…

People in this episode

Host: Rachel

Guest: Chris Shelton

Topics covered

• cult recovery
• identity reconstruction
• coercive control
• self-compassion
• moral framework
• education in recovery

Keywords

• cult
• recovery
• identity
• moral injury
• self-compassion
• coercive control
• education

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Scientology

Books & works: What Now?

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