S04E04 - Dr Trina Spencer: The Literacy Priority Most Classrooms Are Missing

S04E04 - Dr Trina Spencer: The Literacy Priority Most Classrooms Are Missing

From Knowledge for Teachers by Brendan Lee

March 14, 2026 · 1h 41m · Episode 74

About this episode

Brendan Lee interviews Dr. Trina Spencer about the importance of oral language in literacy instruction and its impact on reading comprehension.

In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, Brendan Lee is joined by Dr. Trina Spencer, a leading researcher in language and literacy and the co-developer of Story Champs. They dive deep into why oral language is the true, widely misunderstood foundation of reading comprehension. Dr. Spencer challenges the status quo of literacy instruction by unpacking why we absolutely shouldn't wait for skilled decoding before teaching comprehension. Tune in as they explore: Why the idea that academic language develops naturally is a damaging myth. Why some students struggle despite strong phonics teaching How just 30 minutes of explicit spoken language instruction daily can close the achievement gap. Why expecting teachers to act as instructional designers is an unfair burden. If you are looking for practical, evidence-based ways to boost your students' language skills without adding impossible workloads, this conversation is a must-listen. Resources mentioned: Story Champs trinaspencer.com/ CUBED DYMOND MAP (Measuring Academic Progress) Spencer, T. D. (2021). Ten instructional design efforts to help behavior analysts take up the torch of direct instruction. Behavior Analysis in…

People in this episode

Host: Brendan Lee

Guest: Dr. Trina Spencer

Topics covered

  • literacy instruction
  • oral language
  • reading comprehension
  • academic language
  • instructional design
  • achievement gap

Keywords

  • literacy
  • oral language
  • reading comprehension
  • phonics
  • instructional design
  • achievement gap
  • education

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Story Champs, CUBED DYMOND MAP, trinaspencer.com, learnwithmrlee

Books & works: Behavior Analysis in Practice

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