Trump and Vance Pick a Fight with the Pope

Trump and Vance Pick a Fight with the Pope

From Left, Right & Center by KCRW

April 17, 2026 · 50 min

About this episode

The episode discusses Trump's criticism of the Pope, foreign policy strategies regarding Iran, and the implications of Viktor Orban's political fall, featuring insights from Sarah Isgur.

Pope Leo’s call for peace evidently didn’t sit well with President Trump. He lashed out and called the Pope bad for foreign policy, while Vice President JD Vance lectured the pontiff to be careful when opining on matters of theology. The president’s next move in Iran is a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, but is it an effective strategy to force negotiations, or could it backfire and possibly embolden China? Also, what Viktor Orban’s fall as Hungary’s leader could tell us about the health of far-right movements. Plus, we chat with Sarah Isgur about her new book that takes us inside the Supreme Court, “Last Branch Standing.” Producer: Leo Duran Host: David Greene Guests: Mike Dubke , veteran GOP communications strategist and advisor. He was the White House Comms Director under Donald Trump in 2017 - @MikeDubke Mo Elleithee , executive director at Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service - @MoElleithee Sarah Isgur , senior editor at The Dispatch - @whignewtons

People in this episode

Host: David Greene

Guests: Sarah Isgur, Mike Dubke, Mo Elleithee

Topics covered

  • Trump and the Pope
  • foreign policy
  • Iran blockade
  • far-right movements
  • Supreme Court

Keywords

  • Trump
  • Pope
  • foreign policy
  • Iran
  • Viktor Orban
  • Supreme Court
  • Sarah Isgur

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: KCRW, Georgetown University, The Dispatch

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