A world with two Americas

A world with two Americas

From Lowy Institute by Lowy Institute

May 25, 2026 · 1h 5m

About this episode

Thomas Wright discusses the competition between two Americas in shaping the future world order.

The old international order is over, and a competition is underway to determine what comes next. In a discussion on his Lowy Institute Paper, Inflection Point: Biden, Trump, and the Future World Order, former Biden White House official Thomas Wright explained how there are now two Americas — one internationalist and the other America First — competing with each other to shape the world. Dr Wright argued that nations will need to hedge against this dramatic fluctuation in US strategy for many years to come. The discussion was moderated by Lowy Institute Executive Director Dr Michael Fullilove. More episodes of the Lowy Institute's podcasts are available on your favourite podcast apps, including  Spotify ,  YouTube  and  Apple . Follow the Lowy Institute on our  website ,  X ,  Instagram  or  LinkedIn. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Host: Dr Michael Fullilove

Guest: Thomas Wright

Topics covered

  • international order
  • US strategy
  • Biden administration
  • Trump administration
  • global competition

Keywords

  • internationalism
  • America First
  • US foreign policy
  • global strategy
  • Biden
  • Trump

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Organizations: Lowy Institute

Books & works: Inflection Point: Biden, Trump, and the Future World Order

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