S4 EP18 featuring Herbert Cooper: The 5 H's of a Healthy Church

S4 EP18 featuring Herbert Cooper: The 5 H's of a Healthy Church

From Michigan Ministry Network L3 Podcast by Michigan Ministry Network

May 11, 2026 · 23 min · Season 4 · Episode 18

About this episode

Pastor Herbert Cooper discusses transforming toxic church culture and establishing clear values.

Welcome to the L3 Podcast! We hope this podcast will be helpful to both you and your ministry. Today, we are joined by Pastor Herbert Cooper, Lead Pastor of People's Church in Oklahoma City and one of our Network Council speakers, to tackle a crucial leadership topic: Creating and shifting church culture. What happens when you realize you are pastoring a church with a toxic culture that you don't even enjoy attending? Pastor Herbert shares his transparent journey of taking "extreme ownership" to completely transform his church's environment. Pastors Aaron and Herbert discuss why culture will eat vision for lunch every time, the importance of gaining buy in from key influencers by asking questions rather than making statements, and how to establish clear language like People's Church's "5 H's" to define your values. If you want to build a church you actually love attending and foster a healthy, long-lasting staff, this episode is a must-listen. For more information on the Michigan Ministry Network, please go to our website at mmn.ag.

People in this episode

Host: Aaron

Guest: Herbert Cooper

Topics covered

  • church culture
  • leadership
  • toxic environment
  • extreme ownership
  • values
  • buy-in

Keywords

  • healthy church
  • leadership
  • culture shift
  • buy-in
  • 5 H's
  • ministry

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: People's Church, Michigan Ministry Network

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