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Michael Tracey interviews Batya Ungar-Sargon about her controversial comparison of Trump to FDR.

After being effused with excessive praise, I get a chance to ask Batya about something that’d been bugging me for the past year. Namely: does she care to revise her April 2025 description of Trump as the “21st century FDR,” because Trump, like FDR, is purportedly “socially moderate, anti-interventionist, and committed to America’s blue collar workers as the backbone of this country.” Because that description never made much sense to me! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.mtracey.net/subscribe

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