The Scheduler Who Kept the Line Open: Groff Connected Trump and Epstein Multiple Times

The Scheduler Who Kept the Line Open: Groff Connected Trump and Epstein Multiple Times

From Narativ with Zev Shalev (Audio) by Zev Shalev

June 24, 2026 · 36 min

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Zev Shalev discusses the implications of Lesley Groff's deposition regarding the connections between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.narativ.org Lesley Groff spent her deposition insisting she never knew what she was scheduling. Then she scheduled the one thing that matters. On Tuesday’s Narativ Live special, Zev Shalev walked the Gates and Groff transcripts with attorney Ann P. Mitchell of Notes from the Front and investigative writer Ellie Leonard of The Panicked Writer — each bringing a different toolkit: Mitchell the legal read, Leonard the deep work inside the files. The line that never went dead For a decade, Donald Trump has sold a story: he and Jeffrey Epstein fell out years ago, he threw him out of Mar-a-Lago, they never spoke again. Groff, Epstein’s executive assistant of roughly twenty years, contradicted it under oath. Asked how often she connected the two men by phone, she answered “once a quarter, maybe, or twice” — regular calls the panel read as stretching across roughly ten years and, they believe, to the 2016 election. Groff couldn’t recall when they stopped. For Shalev, this was the night’s headline. “I’ve been trying to prove that for ten years,” he said, “and there she goes just saying they’re still friends all the way to…

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