About this episode

David and Chas explore the motivations behind the Swiftie phenomenon and discuss themes of patriotism and relationships.

In today's show David and Chas finally discover the precise and insidious motivation that has given birth to the Swiftie, they dissect the scorned relationships in Chas's wake and consider the cost of making amends, they seek to define American patriotism and determine whether it means that the democracy stands in lock-step with government or if it means that the government works for the democracy. Plus Heroes and Zeros! Enjoy!

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