
The Anthropologist Predicting Society's Collapse - Jitske Kramer
From Open Book with Anthony Scaramucci by SALT & Goalhanger
April 9, 2026 · 28 min
About this episode
Anthony Scaramucci interviews corporate anthropologist Jitske Kramer about navigating change and the insights from her book 'Tricky Times'.
My guest today is Jitske Kramer — corporate anthropologist, bestselling author, and one of the most original thinkers I've had on this show. We're getting into tricksters, liminality, and why the messy middle of change is exactly where we need to be having the conversations most people are too scared to have. The book is Tricky Times, and trust me — you need to read it. Jitske Kramer is a corporate anthropologist, bestselling author, and founder of HumanDimensions who travels the world learning from healers, leaders, and innovators to bring those insights back to the world of leadership and collaboration. She is the author of Deep Democracy, Jam Cultures, and The Corporate Tribe (2016 Management Book of the Year), among others. Through keynotes and masterclasses, she challenges organizations to make the unfamiliar feel natural — and the familiar feel brand new. Get a copy of her wonderful and underrated book Tricky Times: Navigating The Messy Middle of Change here: https://amzn.to/48jdK1L Anthony Scaramucci is the founder and managing partner of SkyBridge, a global alternative investment firm, and founder and chairman of SALT, a global thought leadership forum and venture studio…
People in this episode
Host: Anthony Scaramucci
Guest: Jitske Kramer
Topics covered
- corporate anthropology
- change management
- leadership
- innovation
- tricksters
- liminality
Keywords
- corporate anthropologist
- leadership
- change
- tricksters
- liminality
- Jitske Kramer
- Tricky Times
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: HumanDimensions
Books & works: Tricky Times, Deep Democracy, Jam Cultures, The Corporate Tribe, All the Wrong Moves
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