About this episode

Ezra Klein discusses the evolving concept of freedom and its implications for society in a Fourth of July conversation.

For America's 250th, we asked Ezra Klein what freedom actually requires of us — and he took us somewhere we didn't expect: attention. We get into why the older idea of freedom was about self-mastery, not just endless choice, and what that means for how we live, parent, and govern right now. It's a Fourth of July conversation about virtue, institutions, and whether we can still build something new.Topics discussed:• The vision of abundance and why the future is so hard to imagine• Attention as a collective resource — and why ours is deranged• Freedom as choice vs. freedom as self-mastery• Virtue, vice, and the illiberal moment• Institutional trust, corruption, and the education debate• Natalism, AI, and whether we're living through an aberration• Outside of Politics: which founder would make the best podcast guestResources mentioned:• Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668023488• Why We're Polarized by Ezra Kleinhttps://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781476700366• The Lost History of Liberalism by Helena Rosenblatt https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9780691203966• The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668002483•…

People in this episode

Hosts: Sarah, Beth

Guest: Ezra Klein

Topics covered

• freedom
• attention
• self-mastery
• virtue
• institutional trust
• natalism
• AI

Keywords

• freedom
• attention
• self-mastery
• virtue
• institutional trust
• natalism
• AI

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Abundance, Why We're Polarized, The Lost History of Liberalism, The Pursuit of Happiness, The British Are Coming, Now Is a Time of Monsters

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