The Complicated Legacy of Michael Jackson

About this episode

The episode explores the complex legacy of Michael Jackson while touching on other cultural topics.

Rich loved Michael , which is how we ended up in the moral labyrinth that is Michael Jackson’s legacy. We revisit Living with Michael Jackson, ask what it means to separate art from artist (and whether that’s even possible), and sit with the discomfort. Elsewhere: Madonna is back in her chaos era, making a pilgrimage to The Abbey as part of her press tour. Tracie speed-reads Lena Dunham’s memoir Famesick and comes to some…conclusions. And finally, a cursed visual you now have to live with too: turtle erections. To access video episodes, bonus episodes and our premium series WAWU—we're covering the newest season of The Comeback right now—check out our Patreon . Tracie's Substack Instagram TikTok ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

People in this episode

Hosts: Rich, Tracie

Topics covered

• Michael Jackson's legacy
• art vs artist
• celebrity culture
• Madonna
• Lena Dunham
• humor

Keywords

• Michael Jackson
• Madonna
• Lena Dunham
• Famesick
• Living with Michael Jackson
• art vs artist
• celebrity culture

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Living with Michael Jackson, Famesick

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