302. Defensive Pessimism - Are There Some Benefits to Negative Thinking?

302. Defensive Pessimism - Are There Some Benefits to Negative Thinking?

January 13, 2026 · 32 min

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Zale discusses the benefits of defensive pessimism with Professor Julie Norem, exploring its role in managing anxiety and embracing negative emotions.

In this episode of Preconceived, Zale explores the concept of happiness and melancholy with Professor Julie Norem, a psychology expert from Wellesley College. They delve into the strategy of defensive pessimism, discussing how it can be a beneficial approach for managing anxiety and achieving goals. The conversation also touches on societal pressures to maintain constant happiness and the value of embracing negative emotions as part of a rich, authentic life. Check out Julie's book at https://www.amazon.ca/Positive-Power-Negative-Thinking/dp/0465051391 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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