About this episode

The episode discusses the art of de-escalation inspired by Tao Te Ching and experiences in various security roles.

Inspired by Tao Te Ching chapter 68, and drawing from our work with sport stadium security, elementary students, comedy show door work, and event lead roles with concerts, we discuss the idea that the best warrior is not warlike. Even if you don't usually vibe with this, consider listening to this show to learn a bit about the art of de-escalation. We also discuss an interesting candidate for "Tao Surfer Ranch 2.0" that we checked out in the desert windy roads of historic Route 66.

People in this episode

Hosts: Stacie Mallinson, Jeff Mallinson

Topics covered

• de-escalation
• conflict resolution
• Taoism
• security
• communication

Keywords

• de-escalation
• Tao Te Ching
• conflict resolution
• security
• communication skills

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Tao Te Ching

Places: historic Route 66

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