463 Complexity, Boundaries and Biomes • Neil Theise

463 Complexity, Boundaries and Biomes • Neil Theise

From Qiological Podcast by Michael Max

June 2, 2026 · 1h 28m · Episode 463

About this episode

Dr. Neil Theise discusses the interplay between expertise and curiosity in understanding the human body.

Clinical practice asks us to recognise patterns, trust experience, and make decisions under uncertainty. But what happens when discovery comes not from certainty, but from staying open to surprise? Dr. Neil Theise is a liver pathologist, stem cell researcher, Zen practitioner, and one of the scientists behind the discovery of the interstitium. In this conversation, he joins Michael to explore the tension between expertise and beginner’s mind, and how curiosity itself can become a path to deeper understanding. Listen into this discussion as they explore the body as both structure and living continuum; how fascia, fluid, electricity, and awareness may be more interconnected than we realise; why perception changes depending on the “scale” we look from; and how science, meditation, and direct experience each reveal different truths about what it means to be human.

People in this episode

Host: Michael Max

Guest: Neil Theise

Topics covered

  • clinical practice
  • expertise
  • beginner's mind
  • curiosity
  • interconnectedness
  • science
  • meditation

Keywords

  • clinical practice
  • expertise
  • curiosity
  • interstitium
  • meditation
  • science
  • human experience

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: interstitium

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