
About this episode
The episode discusses the challenges and potential reforms in East Asian medicine education with Kathleen Lumiere.
What if the very things that seem to be pulling our profession apart are actually the forces that will finally condense it into something more resilient? We’re in a moment of choppy waters—school closures, shrinking enrollment, and a shifting financial landscape—where the successes of what have brought us to this moment will not take us into the future. . In this conversation with Kathleen Lumiere, co-president of the Seattle Institute for East Asian Medicine (SIEAM), we discuss how we might make changes to our educational models that both streamlines and strengthens East Asian medicine. We discuss the integration of business education into clinical training, the disappearance of Grad Plus loans, and the effect that has had on a system that came to be dependent on them. Kathleen also introduces the idea of using the "wisdom of crowds" to define the irreducible core of our profession—a shared set of competencies that could protect our identity while opening new doors for collaboration. Listen into this conversation about what it means to be adventuresome and iconoclastic in a moment of crisis. It’s a look at how we can protect our infrastructure while remaining flexible enough to…
People in this episode
Host: Michael Max
Guest: Kathleen Lumiere
Topics covered
- East Asian medicine
- education reform
- business education
- clinical training
- financial challenges
- collaboration
Keywords
- East Asian medicine
- education
- business integration
- financial landscape
- clinical training
- collaboration
- competencies
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Seattle Institute for East Asian Medicine
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