RR006: How leaders must adapt now to successfully scale AI, with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, AWS

RR006: How leaders must adapt now to successfully scale AI, with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, AWS

From Realities Remixed by Capgemini

March 26, 2026 · 1h 4m · Episode 197

About this episode

The episode discusses how leaders can adapt to successfully scale AI and navigate continuous transformation in organizations.

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech. In a world defined by constant change, leaders must evolve from rigid hierarchies to emotionally intelligent, empowering leadership. By fostering adaptability, continuous learning, distributed leadership, and a culture of curiosity, organisations become better equipped to navigate technological disruptions, such as AI, with resilience and innovation. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, Executives in Residence at AWS to explore what it really takes for organisations to thrive in a world of continuous transformation, and why rigid hierarchies, control, and over-designed change programmes so often get in the way. TLDR 00:42 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme 01:26 – Team dig-in: A new cycle of change is on it's way 19:27 – In‑depth conversation with Jana and Phil 57:37 – Octopus playlist and case study highlights Guest Jana Werner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janawerner1/ Phil Le-Brun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillebrun/ https://www.theoctopusorganization.com/ A Guide to Thriving…

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Hosts: Dave Chapman, Esmee van de Giessen, Rob Kernahan

Guests: Jana Werner, Phil Le-Brun

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Organizations: AWS, Capgemini, The Octopus Organization

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