Sh*tty Minister’s Club with Lillian Daniel (#394)
From Religion on the Mind by Dan Koch
April 13, 2026 · 1h 22m
About this episode
Lillian Daniel discusses her new book and her experiences in ministry, focusing on identity, boundaries, and the misconduct process.
Lillian Daniel returns after five years to discuss her new book Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church — a candid, often funny, and deeply human account of the misconduct process she underwent in the UCC, what it taught her about identity, boundaries, and shame, and how she eventually found her way back to ministry. Highlights: Power, process, and accountability Over-identification with vocation Boundaries (and the lack thereof) Shame vs. guilt, done right Lillian's New Book | Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church Previous episode with Lillian: The Most & Least Plausible Christian Claims (#117) ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.com YHP Patron-only FB group…
People in this episode
Host: Dan Koch
Guest: Lillian Daniel
Topics covered
- ministry
- identity
- boundaries
- shame
- accountability
- vocation
Keywords
- ministry
- Lillian Daniel
- Defrocked
- UCC
- identity
- boundaries
- shame
- accountability
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: UCC
Books & works: Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church, The Most & Least Plausible Christian Claims
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