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This episode features an interview with Grandmaster Stephen Oliver discussing the current state of the martial arts industry and marketing challenges.

Episode 453: Interview with Stephen Oliver Podcast Description This episode is a wide-ranging, real-talk interview with Grandmaster Stephen Oliver — one of the most experienced voices in the martial arts business world. Duane and Allie dig into what’s actually happening in the industry right now: the post-COVID landscape, the explosion of BJJ and adult programs, why marketing feels both easier and harder at the same time, and how AI can help you move faster—without turning your school into a generic, copy/paste version of everyone else. If you’ve been feeling like you’re working harder than ever, trying to please more people, and still not getting the commitment you want—this conversation will hit. Key Takeaways The opportunity in martial arts is bigger than most people think. Stephen’s take is optimistic: the market is fertile, the kids market is strong, and the adult market has expanded in a way we haven’t seen before. He points to a major shift: MMA, Muay Thai, and especially Brazilian Jiu Jitsu have opened up an adult segment that simply didn’t exist at this scale in previous decades. Marketing is “democratized” now—but it comes with more moving parts. Back in the day, big…

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