BONUS Why Your Agile Transformation Keeps Snapping Back — And What Systems Thinking Says About It With Natalia Curusi

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The episode discusses the challenges of Agile transformation and insights from systems thinking with guest Natalia Curusi.

BONUS: Why Your Agile Transformation Keeps Snapping Back — And What Systems Thinking Says About It Natalia Curusi co-authored a book that doesn't tell you what agile should look like — it tells you what actually happens when you try to transform an organization. Friday-night deployments, zombie teams going through the motions, transformations that met a wall of silence. In this episode, we unpack the real lessons from the front lines: how personal values drive the shift to agile, why some teams have all the ceremonies but none of the substance, and what systems thinking reveals about why transformations fail — or snap back. When Your Values Don't Match Your Ways of Working "I felt like there is a mismatch in my values, my moral values and principles, and customer-centric orientation. So when I found out about Agile around 2010, I understood — okay, this is the answer. Now I have the answer how I can map my moral values and principles with software delivery." Natalia's journey to agile didn't start with a methodology — it started with a gut feeling that something was wrong. Working in large corporations in the early 2000s with fixed-scope contracts, late deployments, and scripts…

People in this episode

Host: Vasco Duarte

Guest: Natalia Curusi

Topics covered

• Agile transformation
• Systems thinking
• Organizational change
• Personal values
• Agile mindset

Keywords

• Agile
• transformation
• systems thinking
• personal values
• organizational change
• Agile mindset
• team dynamics

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Books & works: book

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