S10 Ep35: How China Steals America’s Secrets with David Shedd & Andrew Badger
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Matt talks with David Shedd and Andrew Badger about China's espionage tactics and their book on the subject.
David Shedd served as acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency; Andrew Badger is a former DIA case officer now teaching state-sponsored espionage at Oxford. Together they've written The Great Heist: China's Epic Campaign to Steal America's Secrets . Matt talks with them about how the Ministry of State Security evolved from a backwater service into what they argue is the world's most powerful intelligence agency; how Beijing replaced Cold War recruitment tradecraft with guanxi-based social obligation and what the authors call "crowd-sourced espionage"; how Made in China 2025 functioned as a national collection priority list driving theft across defense, tech, and critical infrastructure; and why Volt and Salt Typhoon represent not an espionage story but pre-positioning for war—with kill switches already embedded in America's power grid and telecommunications backbone. Subscribe and share to stay ahead in the world of intelligence, global issues, and current affairs. Order The Great Heist : https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-great-heist-david-r-sheddandrew-badger Connect with David and Andrew on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-shedd-00a32bb5…
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