Are Countries Just Chimp Territories With Flags? | Michael Wilson

Are Countries Just Chimp Territories With Flags? | Michael Wilson

July 17, 2026 · 1h 11m

About this episode

The episode explores the evolutionary roots of nationalism and human behavior through the lens of chimpanzee societies with guest Michael Wilson.

What if the roots of nationalism, war, power, and even our search for meaning began millions of years before civilization? In this fascinating conversation, evolutionary anthropologist Michael Wilson , one of the world's leading chimpanzee researchers, shares what nearly 30 years studying wild chimpanzees has taught him about human nature. We explore why chimpanzees wage coordinated territorial conflicts, why humans evolved to cooperate with strangers, how culture transformed our evolutionary instincts, and whether modern nations are simply a more sophisticated version of ancient primate territories. The conversation moves from chimpanzee societies to nationalism, power, natural selection, consciousness, technology, nihilism, and ultimately the meaning of life itself. If you've ever wondered whether we're truly different from our closest relatives—or simply more complex versions of them—this conversation will change how you see humanity. Why humans trust strangers but chimpanzees don't Are countries just chimp territories with flags? The evolutionary roots of nationalism and tribalism Alpha males, power, and why status matters How monogamy changed human cooperation Instinct vs…

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Host: Raj

Guest: Michael Wilson

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