About this episode

The episode discusses the experiences of veterans who refused orders they believed were unethical and the consequences they faced.

Let us know what you think of the show and what we can do better! Orders are supposed to be clear, lawful, and tied to mission. So what happens when a policy feels wrong in your gut, looks shaky in the paperwork, and gets enforced with threats, segregation, and career-ending consequences? I’m joined by Scott Lauderer, a retired Air Force reservist with 25 years of service across multiple branches, and former Army Sergeant First Class John Eugene Delarm, a combat veteran separated near retir...

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