How Low Can the DOJ Go?

How Low Can the DOJ Go?

April 27, 2026 · 1h 37m · Season 7 · Episode 30

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Kate and Leah discuss recent legal controversies and interview law professor Shaun Ossei-Owusu about his new book.

From the DOJ’s targeting of the Southern Poverty Law Center for its anti-KKK work to Kash Patel’s outrageous lawsuit against The Atlantic for its reporting on his unfitness for office to the Fifth Circuit’s legal contortions allowing Texas to mandate the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms, it’s been a wild week in the law. Kate and Leah unpack it all before recapping the week’s oral arguments, which featured the welcome return of former Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar to One First Street’s hallowed halls. For the second part of the show, Kate and Leah speak with University of Pennsylvania law professor Shaun Ossei-Owusu about his new book, Law on Trial: An Unlikely Insider Reckons with Our Legal System . Favorite things: Kate: Sexistential , Robyn; USAID Whistleblower Says It Was Even Worse Than People Knew , Vittoria Elliott (Wired); Into the Wood Chipper: A Whistleblower's Account of How the Trump Administration Shredded USAID , Nicholas Enrich; Enrich’s interview on Pod Save the World ; Melissa on the Work Friends podcast Leah: The Great Divide , Noah Kahan; Kahan’s Tiny Desk Concert ; It Is Time for Ruthless Aggression , Jonathan V. Last (The Bulwark); The…

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Hosts: Kate, Leah

Guest: Shaun Ossei-Owusu

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Organizations: Southern Poverty Law Center, The Atlantic, University of Pennsylvania

Books & works: Law on Trial: An Unlikely Insider Reckons with Our Legal System

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